{"id":404,"date":"2023-06-14T02:21:00","date_gmt":"2023-06-14T02:21:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/elffriendyt.com\/?p=404"},"modified":"2024-12-18T20:46:50","modified_gmt":"2024-12-18T20:46:50","slug":"why-didnt-arwen-go-to-the-undying-lands-after-aragorns-death","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/elffriendyt.com\/index.php\/2023\/06\/14\/why-didnt-arwen-go-to-the-undying-lands-after-aragorns-death\/","title":{"rendered":"Why didn&#8217;t Arwen go to the Undying Lands after Aragorn&#8217;s death?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/elffriendyt.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/Why-didnt-Arwen-go-to-the-Undying-Lands-1.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Arwen didn\u2019t go to the Undying Lands because she renounced this ability and chose not to go. However, she would use this decision as an argument for something else at the end of <em>Lord of the Rings<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is commonly noted that as part of the half elven family line, she had the choice to accept either the gift of mortality for the Men or N\u00famen\u00f3reans or the gift of immortality for the Elves, and she chose the former.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, she also gave her \u201cticket\u201d to Frodo. At the time she saw how much he was suffering.&nbsp; Arwen would use this renunciation of her right to go west as an argument for Frodo to be able to do so.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Why didn&#039;t Arwen go to the Undying Lands after Aragorn&#039;s death? | Lord of the Rings\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/E9axIZq7Oms?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cBut the Queen Arwen said: \u2018A gift I will give you. For I am the daughter of Elrond. I shall not go with him now when he departs to the Havens; for mine is the choice of L\u00fathien, and as she so have I chosen, both the sweet and the bitter. But in my stead you shall go, Ring-bearer, when the time comes, and if you then desire it. If your hurts grieve you still and the memory of your burden is heavy, then you may pass into the West, until all your wounds and weariness are healed.\u201d (ROTK, \u201cMany Partings\u201d)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But it wasn\u2019t explicit how exactly she would arrange this, as she would not be in direct communication with the Valar at the time.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One must have blessing of the Valar in order to enter the Undying Lands. Also, for any except the Elves &#8211; sailing west is not permitted and any exceptions required authority.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, it can be presumed that Arwen either would arrange this before choosing a mortal life, and while still having this choice, she knew she wanted to renounce her ability to enter the West.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Also, have she not given her spot to Frodo, Arwen\u2019s fate would still be decided by her choice either to be an immortal elf or to be a N\u00famen\u00f3rean and live a mortal life. This would also be what happens to Elrond\u2019s brother Elros, who would die after ruling &#8211; but at a large lifespan compared to mortal men &#8211; and would not go to the West first.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tolkien must\u2019ve written Arwen (after deciding to be mortal) the same way he would with Aragorn and Elros, and the other earlier N\u00famen\u00f3reans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>\u201c\u2026the early N\u00famen\u00f3reans, though being fallen, by a special grace generally approach nearest to the unfallen Quendi, particularly in their right relations to God, to incarnate existence and self-mastery, to the natural world, and in their interests and arts.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>(NoME, App. A. \u201cMetaphysical and Theological Themes\u201d)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Gandalf would sail west as well &#8211; due to his being an emissary of the Valar and being in special accord with Cirdan the Shipwright.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is also noted, however, that Arwen was the one who first thought of Frodo\u2019s sailing west &#8211; and communicated through Gandalf to arrange it, as eventually he would accept her plea.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And after the death of her husband Aragorn, Arwen makes this choice clear.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cNay, dear lord,\u201d she said, \u201cthat choice is long over. There is now no ship that would bear me hence, and I must indeed abide the Doom of Men, whether I will or I nill: the loss and the silence.\u201d (LOTR, App A)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Arwen didn\u2019t go to the Undying Lands because she renounced this ability and chose not to go. However, she would use this decision as an argument for something else at the end of Lord of the Rings. 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